I think it's a great idea for there to be a place where bikes are stored and have good shelter. However, there should be no need for there to be indoor heating, plumbing, all that stuff inside of the place. The shack is a good idea but the plan has been WAY overdeveloped.
I certainly doubt that putting all the bikes together in one place will make thefts occur less often. That just gives people more reason to be in the shack skulking around for untied bikes as it is.
I think the bike shack is a waste of goddamn money. I think it's going to be built in a crappy spot with way too much effort. I think that if there was a public transit system that played ball, people wouldn't have to ride their bikes to school in 40 below weather. I know some people do because of personal reasons. because of that though should we look into all private interest groups @ LU that want funding from LUSU and give it to them? obviously not. So why then are we doing that?
Isn't LUSU there to benifit all lakehead students... not just some?
WORD THE FUCK UP! There are SO many things that the money would be better used for. Besdies, if theybuild it so far away from everything, as soon as cold weather hits, no one is going to use it. At least not what it's intended for. It'll be trashed in a few months, just like everything else on campus.
well, i don't believe that LUSU should be concentrating solely on initiatives that benifit ALL students equally, or else we wouldn't have organizations like PRIDE central. By your argument, we could say that our money that goes to PRIDE doesn't benifit all students, so we should just pull of its funding.
obviously LUSU shouldn't be a utilitarian organization, and should actively pursue projects that benifit specific student interests.
You're right, but they didn't build an effin building for Pride Central.
It just seems like The Argus thinks that everyone is FOR the bike shack, when really all we've been given is a yes or no answer to whether we want it. I think we need more choice, we should be able to submit ideas to modify the bike shack to make it more cost effective and to make students more supportive of the whole thing.
oh-ho, pardon me... but the student body was given plenty of choice and opportunities to speak out and provide ideas for the whole project. every single information and forum discussion about the issue that i have attended have been SPARSELY attended, even though time was allotted so that student could come on different days of the week and hours of the day so all students could have the oppurtunity to voice their opinions. because students DON'T participate in these discussions, its okay to assume that the initiative of the few can proceed because they are active. if students want choice, they need to emerge from the apathy that constrain them to simply grumbling about things they don't like to themselves and actually get involved in the process.
if students don't participate in democracy, someone will speak for them.
I go to school purely to attend classes; that is all. Though every once and awhile I'll read a few articles in the argus. I don't go to forums, discussion groups, rallies, etc. Infact, I don't even know where they hold these things, nevermind when.
That is one of the reasons I liked the referendum style questions, for example, when they had the voting for whether or not to get "The Hanger". Though the problem at that time, was a lack of publicizing for people who arn't into school "events". Because I only just happened to use a school computer that day, when the poll popped up: I never knew about a vote then, it just popped up.
The student body may be given ample choice and opportunity to speak out, but for that majority like me, who go to school, chiefly for the education, it becomes a hassle to come to these events. And it's not democracy when a slim minority makes all the decisions.
Now you may be thinking, "well to bad you lazy prick." And if that's your opinion, then fine. But what I would like to see, is another sort of referendum type thing, but where they email all students and tell them to come cast their ballots(and say where and between what hours). Or maybe have some sort of voting which can be done over the email. You know?
...Pride Central has a building now?
oh ho ho ho... no you didn't.
Your telling me that a UNION is not an utilitarian interest group? Our student union is modeled after the same unions that protect the interests of the many workers underneath it. So then does it not perform a utilitarian calculation when it does it's bargening? or does it sit on a picket line for months on end waiting for 1 persons intrest to be recognised?
Secondly doesn't pride central offer information and other services to the rest of the school? And if they hold events aren't they supposed to be open to all? Each LUSU service has to provide it equally among all students.
valid point, but a union doesn't always act in the interest of EVERY person belonging to it. Perhaps a union would be better described as a collective of people with the same interests and goals, but does not necessarily act in favour of all... but just like any political organization, it serves the best interests of its voters. and i'm sorry to say the population of students who vote at lakehead is abysmal, and that it should hardly account for the greater interests of all students. nevertheless, it is the students who vote who put into accord this project, and those who complain yet didn't vote against it don't get represented.
the price of democracy is: you have to be active and take action to have your opinions heard and have you will implemented in decision making.
Ah yes. But the voting majority still created this mayhem.
Let us not forget the fiasco with "optimus prime" aka the Hangar. AKA sly politics. Will the bike-shed become the same thing.
Let it be known that i think there should be a safe place for all to store their shit on campus, however i think that when it gets to "well, we want it so you should just fork over the cash." I say "FUCK THAT NOISE."
Accountiblilty, if I'm going to be spending money on this I want to know goddamn well what the dilly-o is.
Oh and in this day and age, there's many more places to have a "public forum."
Broadcast it on the web the same time as it's on the radio with all the plans and diagrams availible in realtime 3-d on the web.
It's not my job to sell it to me. It's the committy and LUSU's job. Bring it to me and i'll listen, but don't expect me to go out of my way for something i don't really care about getting one way or the other. Conqure this idea, and then getting people invovled @ lakehead would be easy.
Political ideals always need the people more than the people need these ideals.
political ideals might need people more than people need the ideals, but politics still happen when you don't participate, and it still affects your lives even though you don't care or pay attention.
if you don't care about something one way or another, then the reprecussions of it shouldn't bother you, because it holds you hold no interest in it.
i believe that the idea of this project has shifted from simply being a structure which to store bikes, to a building that would help promote alternative transportation, and seed a biking culture on campus among students.
originally the plans had a "lounge" area for the RU Biking club, but that got struck down almost immediately after a lot of backlash on it, and the heating would be more centralized around the rooms for maintenance and repair for bikes than the whole storage area.
2006-10-11 03:41 pm (UTC)
Most of us go to school between September and April. Calendar parking goes from November 15th to April 30th, signifying that we usually have enough snow that needs plowing between those dates. Today, it is October 11th, we are one month into our school year and it is bloody snowing.
If they want to promote alternative transportation, why aren't they putting more effort into approving the vote for getting every student a bus pass, therefore improving Thunder Bay's transit system as a result and benefitting students with transportation at all times of the school year?
You could say, well a biking culture promotes exercise instead of a sedentary lifestyle, and I could say, well they already wasted our money on The Hangar so that exercise factor SHOULD be all taken care of, right?
i agree with you about the bus thing, i take the bus to and from school during the winter most of the week, so i would love to see LUSU push harder for a student public transport plan with the city to accomodate the students needs and wallets.
but bus passes aside, that a seperate issue from the bike shack at hand.
well, the thing is that the repair area will have a volunteer to repair bikes for students who don't know how to, or have the tools to do so at home, and can't afford to take it to a bike shop to get it maintained.